Jan 19, 2012; Add bookmark. Now it redeploys and repeats the process until all merchant ships are sunk or it runs out of ammo. This will be a long term thing. If you remove ships from a task force composition they will automatically split off and go into reserve. They are something that requires a lot of investment, especially since the new dlc that made them very very expensive, but they can absolutely be worth it. ) Naval invasions work, eventually, when you can. -Further hull types, such as Escort (to cover Corvettes and other light craft). If you want your ships to patrol the sea zones, then use Convoy Escort. ago. So basically, restrict the areas where convoys can go, then cover the entire world with the convoy escort missions of your fleet, split your escorting fleet into 10 task forces and give it an admiral. I personally divide my subs into 5 groups and set each group a target strength of 20 subs. dutchrjen • 5 yr. Remember the AI wants to protect bigger naval bases before small ones when they have too few troops or more troops than the minimum. There's usually not that of an risk that you'll encounter surface ships in the Atlantic, since Italian fleet can't bypass Gibraltar and the Germans have. However if enemy bombs convoy, they is no battle created where escorts can participate and everything happens in abstraction. Creating a task force composition will also activate automatic reinforcements. They'll plan and execute when you tell them to. According to the SCREEN_RATIO_FOR_FULL_SCREENING_FOR_CAPITALS define, the answer is 3. 3-4 times screening ships. With only 6 DD and a single CL the number you can protect. Convert 27 DDs to mine layers, to have 6 groups of 5 mine layers - avoid fighting (use early war to mine everything), take Long Lance focus, build subs and torpedo boats (DD2) add few recon CLs. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4 • by. Capital Ships can use up to 5 yards of production at a time, Screens and Subs use up to 10 yards, and transports can have a capacity of 15 yards working. And while you'll obviously get more torpedoes from the task force with the CA, you're still only getting a 3:1 screening ratio in a task force with 4 capitals; whereas, with the CL, you have a 6:1 screening ratio (again, in a task force with 4 capitals). For purpose-built escort carriers you might be better off using the 1936 hull instead. This will make the troops transport across. Avoidance - set the sea zones that enemy subs operate in to “Do not use. ) Naval invasions work, eventually, when you can figure out what it's mad about but this takes some doing. Report. Japan can put out a fairly competent navy, and with luck the AI picks a few dumb fights using the US Navy that leaves you with largely uncontested control over the Pacific. Stacking up light attack stats by mounting many light batteries is also another goal. Crusiers to Destoryers at 1:3 ratio. Improve your existing Panzerschips [Graf Spee, Deutschland and Scheer] with new Techs and Weapons [Radar and Fire-Controll-Systems are a must have] 2. To kill ships use naval bombers. Putting capital ships on those orders is a waste (and a good way to get them sunk). JetSpeed10. Older CV’s are still useful, unless they’re too slow… then they can be used for convoy escort or shore bombardment (using CAS) and still help secure local air superiority A navy is a country's collective naval force, with which it can perform naval warfare . I've been playing hoi4 for almost 6 years now and I still have absolute zero fucking clue how navies and naval combat works. 9. CA and BB’s are useful for shore bombardment in support of amphibious landings. HOI4 Tools SGr - Save Game Recorder - records, compresses, and archives autosave files in realtime, no game impact. Each fleet consists of one or more task forces, with each task force containing a number of individual ships . 1 Escort efficiency 6 Minelaying 6. ago. r/hoi4. RELEASED SGc - Save Game Converter - converts save. ago •. Level I armor is sufficient because of the need for speed. Escort groups were a World War II tactical innovation in anti-submarine warfare by the Royal Navy to combat the threat of the Kriegsmarine ' s "wolfpack" tactics. • 8 yr. the Cruisers 2 or 3) where as cruisers are more engineering oriented (4 Engineering console slots vs. 4. There is shore bombardment in hoi3, but it's a modifier for sea invading troops. First, any old DD with engine I or hull I should be in Escort, they are too easy to sink in hard battle. But in the game I can't even destroy a single enemy ship with tons of bombers. Always add radar to your ships. The E-boats / PT boats could be put in pretty easily via a mod, I think. I usually aim for ~70 ships for my standard fleets. The division count you can send refers to the weight of the division. More than 4 Carriers in a fleet give them all a penalty. Throw only few fighters to the mix. This thread is archived. You need to press the button with the magnifying glass on the bottom left. . I usually up Wake, Marcus or Iwo, Attu, and 1-2 in the Marshalls and Carolines. Subs are the slowest and your fleet moves at speed of the slowest unit. Strike fleet eats massive supply, so it can be tough to keep supply up enough to invade with. ago. So I'm. Heavy ships should only carry heavy guns, while light ships should only carry light guns. Try using fleets of destroyers with light and heavy cruisers for convoy escort duty. e. its very annnoying that most of my. The upper right corner of the screen shows an "alert" that the Eastern North Sea has been blocked. In this I explain both the Convoy Raiding and Convoy Escort missions, and when alternatives are better to use. 1. The point is to fight directly with the British navy after France has been done. Including battleships and carries. Light cruisers are the best for spotting things but destroyers are the best for depth charges. ago. You need to assign naval invasions from a port you or your allies control to the place you want to invade, you also have to have naval superiority for the invasion to go off. Destroyers have very weak naval guns, while Light cruiser guns are at least good for killing Destroyers. While using this mission type you can still be engaged by other fleets however a fleet. Such a fleet would drink lots of fuel. Yea it says the current fleet can escort up to 101 convoys, but that should give me a 25% efficiency with 400 convoys, not 9%. while a strike force or patrol might decide not to start an engagement in the first place based on strength comparison, a raider will always initiate battle against spotted convoys -- except on Do Not Engage. What is the optimal amount of submarines for convoy raiding in 3 regions. This mod aims to expand the limited amount of ship names given to the Germans significantly by completely revamping the existing name lists and adding new name lists. You will be losing escorts, but they just get better and better, light cruisers are better, but not as cheap as destroyers and will not help as much vs subs that can be very annoying. Each fleet consists of one or more task forces, with each task force containing a number of individual ships . The US needs to build both, whereas the UK doesn't really need as many subs. How effective this is depends on ship/doctrinal stats. fire on targets more than 10k away, with no fancy maps, GPS, computer and then on a boat. 1. Any enemy submarine fleet can find themselves quickly being sunk by an enemy carrier strike force. . It only prevented Sea Lion by being a credible threat. Destroyers are good for patrolling, for killing subs and for putting torpedoes on them to kill capital ships. As well as air sup against nav. To minimise convoy losses, it is important for a fleet performing convoy escort to achieve 100% escort efficiency. They hide well and find things easy enough. Area Army = Dai 3 Hômengun. All it does is increase the sub and surface detection at the cost of speed and for floats their agility too. Princess_N1cole • 2 yr. At the same time your fleet with capital ships can be on strike force in that region and cover your escort task forces in case they are being engaged by enemy fleet(1) Move your troops to a port (2) Select the troops you want to move by sea (3) Click on the port where you want them to wind up. . 005 * ship production cost in industrial capacity (IC) + 0. Go to hoi4 r/hoi4. You did pretty good for Germany. Like do Heavy guns miss most of there shots vs smaller ships. So! (2. But there's not a good way of representing that in-game. I'm still not sure on the right way to design destroyers. Or just deathstack them. Add to this some good tactical bombers (range) and recon planes. HOI4 - German submarine advice. ) Similarly, properly equipped destroyers can be used as minesweepers. Try to have a 5:1 ratio of destroyers to battleships. Even worse, the default behavior of strike force is not to challenge naval invasions at all, even if they do happen. Choose Battlefield Support if: You plan to use plenty of close air support AND are confident you can win air superiority without any fighter bonuses. The Sierra Madre can kill nations and build them, using its technology with the right applications. You need to disrupt enemy trade, supply, and invasions. (from HOI4 WIKI) Sventex • 3 yr. This option ends up with less light attack total because light cruisers. Shatterline is a free-to-play FPS with a roguelike co-op mode (Expedition) as well as several traditional PvP modes such as TDM, Conquest, Demolition, and Escort. No worries, I have my fleet of 4 carriers, 2 SHBB's, and screening ships on convoy escort. Naval bombers are ridiculously overpowered in large numbers. However, the strike force TF needs a certain amount of screening vessels in it, or your capital ships will get torpedoed. One will have a skull before a data sheet as its picture. You can easily design these using a single hangar, basic AA, a basic cruiser engine, and optionally basic secondary battery. Collars ensure cooperation. 3. The finisher tech "Sea Lane Defence", on the other hand, affects the "Escort Convoy" mission that you can give to fleets, which is pretty much useless--don't research that tech. A 100 ships convoy escorting did nothing to prevent my convoys from getting sunk. Right now there's a bug that causes all carrier aircraft to die when fighting naval bombers from time to time, so that can help you. I can individually order ships to separate from the fleet and repair, but it's not ideal (for obvious reasons). 1. Even with cheats, the issue I ran into was there are only so many dockyards, and even at full dockyards and full production I'd pumped out around 600 by the time the war started. I just found out last night playing as El Salvador when I wanted to conquer Panama. This guide is if you want to recreate the historical US navy - or are like me and never know what to build - in HoI4. Now, in my head I envision four types of Navies. PTT809 • 3 yr. In history, Escort carriers put up single aircraft to do long range patrols looking for submarines, and engage enemy maritime patrol aircraft. Rush 1940 sub and snorkel. Never miss a thing. Patrol just attempts to make sure there are no enemies that could attack them. Select options. Midget subs would be tougher. CowboyRonin • 1 yr. Try using fleets of destroyers with light and heavy cruisers for convoy escort duty. Get an admiral with a high defense stat because it buffs armor. [deleted] • 7 yr. ) Similarly, properly equipped destroyers can be used as minesweepers. I personally like 3 crusiers as that is small enough to lure in your enemy into battle, but will also survive long enough for your main fleet to arrive. 3 command power while mission is active. It should decimate England’s outdated navy, as most of your navy will be tier 2, while England’s is all old tier 1 ships. Edit the icon for all the ship classes to easier help you remember what ship class is supposed to do what. Suffice to say that you should have air superiority and plenty of naval bombers while doing. You also should try to make this fit your own style of playing. [deleted] •. The biggest threat to U-boat during ww2 in terms of numbers sunk was destroyer escorts which acompanied the convoys. it really depends on what country you are because what you build is best suited for what you're likely to face. Then select ships and give them a "support naval invasions" order and click every sea province between your port and where you want to land. The goal of designing destroyers is to make them cheaper to produce, so they can get on sea and escort capital ships and convoys faster. 8. A torpedo launcher is not necessary, but it is optional for the destroyers because it easily gets countered by high enemy. . With over a dozen submarines creating a massive danger zone to the west and north of the isles I'm sinking probably 50 ships a month but I don't know how much the enemy still has left. Example Theaters. If you want to be a naval power, you need to do a significant amount of planning to research and then manufacture the designs you want. its very annnoying that most of my casualties, are from my troops getting. You can use your strike fleet (or any fleet) as an escort for troops performing a naval invasion by changing their mission to Naval Invasion Support. E - Escorts: Escort ships are the smallest ship class represented in Black ICE, and are designed simply to escort your. But it can be lowered by positioning (up to -50% at 0 positioning) and increased by admiral traits (+20% screening efficiency from Fleet Protector). The more convoys you have, the more escorts are required for 100% escort efficiency. JohniiMagii. They can be assigned an admiral which will then provide benefits to all task forces within the fleet. Eddit: grammar. All carrier-based planes will join the battle. Deviant113 • 6 yr. Anti-Air II. • 6 yr. R5: Divisions can't naval invade, even though I have enough convoys and naval superiority and the timer has been reached and the divisions are in place and the button can be clicked and the arrows are moving like the order is being carried out. Among the various players on the global stage, few can rival the enormous potential of the. Then you can build more "empty" DD, DD with good hull and highest engine and. they get intercepted and attacked by submarines, even though i have 100% convoy escort in the area, and i am completely dominating their navy in the region. 1936 Battleship. Take the remaining capacity, and use twice as many fighters as bombers, rounding up in favor of fighters, usually in multiples of 5 or 10. For. However, positioning in Vanilla rarely drops below 80%-100% so the answer is 3 if you have no special admiral. On a more serious note: avoid the english channel, invade from denmark, you need air superiority + lots of CAS naval bombing (NB are better, but useless on land), put all your subs (on convoy escort) and Air Force in place, then invade and pray to RNGsus. Spend a day with nature in Hoi An and visit the stunning Bay Mau Coconut Forest. Hoi4 Tech Lead on fixing AI scrapping Naval Construction:. Sorry I can't be more specific. Once the destroyers are mostly gone, subs can be brutal. There's no problem finishing construction of the boats that are already started, but the only boats that really need to be produced are convoys and 1936 hull submarines, which will require 5 Naval EXP to meet requirements, which can be had quickly through naval exercises of just the bottom two fleets. They were very effective convoy escorts and actually battled U-Boats off the Atlantic coast and Gibraltar. I think, generally, there are 3 types: surface gunboats, torpedo boats, and mine layers. In another region near Brazil I have 1 task force engaged in an escort battle with 1/6th of the convoys but 1/3rd of the escorts but it has 100% efficiency. 6. Look at the intel efficiency.